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  • Jan. 16th, 2008 at 7:42 AM
E. E. Knight
According to this link [info]mjolnir1964 sent me, another Conan movie is in the works.

http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=10704

I think the problem with Conan is the studios get too musclebound by the idea that Conan has to be a bodybuilder. Conan's toughly built, sure, but Howard compared him more often to a big cat than anything (okay, bull-necked appeared a lot). They'd do much better to try and find someone who

  1. Can act. You know, study a character and interpret it for a camera. Yes, such things are possible, even in a Conan movie.

  2. Has a zest for action/adventure, and hopefully at least an amateur interest in swordfighting.

  3. Possesses some amount of raw alpha-male animal magnetism, ala Sean Connery or Gerald Butler or one of those other highland chappies.

  4. Good at broad, larger-than-life gestures. I'm talking about the sort of thing that occurs in The Horse Soldiers when John Wayne, playing a lifelong builder of railroads, walks into the bar as his calvarly regiment is engaged in tearing up track and burning ties after fighting a battle that he didn't seek. He sloppily pours himself an overlarge drink then hurls the bottle at the others and spins around and announces that the bar is closed. Conan's moody like that, alternately grim and lighthearted.

  5. Has a face that doesn't look like it's had many 9 step skin revitalizing treatments at Spa Metrosexual. A broken nose wouldn't hurt.

  6. Is willing to play it with black hair and blue eyes, even if it means dye and contacts.



Now there was a time when running around in sandals carrying a sword was a perfectly respectable thing for an actor to do (Charlton Helston, Kirk Douglas, Richard Burton, Victor Mature). Conan could be a great little franchise for a studio smart enough to do it right, like Pirates of the Caribbean.

Comments

[info]antonstrout wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 01:57 pm (UTC)
Dammit, I guess that leave us out, huh?
[info]eeknight wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 02:17 pm (UTC)
I'd make a good dissipated, indolent courtier that Conan could hurl out a palace window.
[info]antonstrout wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 02:18 pm (UTC)
And I'd be that guy at the gates of the city who said, "Hey, wait! You can't go in the...erk!"
[info]rhonawestbrook wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 03:10 pm (UTC)
LOL...this reminds me. One of our close friends is a professional extra and while hubby and I were watching Chuck and Larry last week, he popped up on screen. We were so shocked we had to stop the movie and call him to make sure our eyes weren't crossed or something. It's really wierd to see people you know up there. Wierd!
[info]bg_editor wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 02:09 pm (UTC)
Right on, Brother!
[info]eeknight wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 02:19 pm (UTC)
Figured you'd chime in on this thread at some point.
[info]wtfbrain wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 02:16 pm (UTC)
Soooo, no Christopher Lambert, then? ;)
[info]eeknight wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 02:18 pm (UTC)
Well, he's 50, for one thing...
[info]wtfbrain wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 02:23 pm (UTC)
I, for one, consider the fact that he's Christopher Lambert far earlier than the fact that he's 50. Those two hours I spent watching the wretched "reimagining" of Beowulf are two hours I'll never get back again.
[info]eeknight wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 02:25 pm (UTC)
I suppose since Roger Moore was in his mid-40s when he started being Bond, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Edited at 2008-01-16 02:25 pm (UTC)
[info]cadmus wrote:
Jan. 17th, 2008 06:47 am (UTC)
And cannot act, for another...
[info]mjolnir1964 wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 08:43 pm (UTC)
GACK!!!!!!!! Do not say that name!!!
[info]wtfbrain wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 09:21 pm (UTC)
Can you just imagine it though?

No, wait, on second thought, let's not. In any way, shape or form. *shudder*
[info]rarelylynne wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 03:06 pm (UTC)
Karl Urban, baby. He'd need contacts, but otherwise, he fits the bill. A buff Kiwi with a swagger and a sense of humor.

Eomer in LOTR, for those who didn't know. He has done multiple action roles, and you won't believe this, but he got his start playing Caesar on Xena: WP. And was a GOOD actor. I swear.

And it has nothing to do with wanting to see him in a loincloth again. Really.
[info]rhonawestbrook wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 03:07 pm (UTC)
Yea...or these two;-)

You got's good taste girl!
[info]eeknight wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 03:52 pm (UTC)
I was going to suggest "or that guy who played Eomer in LOTR" because I remember really liking the way he walked and rode but then all I could do was picture him in his helmet and I couldn't quite remember his face.
[info]bg_editor wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 07:51 pm (UTC)
Did you know Karl Urban is playing Dr. McCoy in the new Star Trek movie?
[info]mjolnir1964 wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 08:31 pm (UTC)
He was also the lead in that Gawd-awful movie "Pathfinder".
[info]rhonawestbrook wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 03:07 pm (UTC)
I agree and I nominate Mario Lopez. He'd be PERFECT and would only need the blue contacts. He's got the body, the acting chops and the whole alpha thing going. Brad Pit could do it too IMO.

:::drools:::

[info]michaeldthomas wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 03:18 pm (UTC)
Rhona, are you a sekrit Saved by the Bell fan? :)
[info]rhonawestbrook wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 03:22 pm (UTC)
LOL...no, I am an avid, drooling, possibly crazed Mario fan though. Ever since he was on Dancing with the Stars I've had SUCH a thing for him!

:::goes back to drooling:::

Oh, I AM a secret Golden Girls fan though. Don't tell anyone. It's just that the dialog on that show makes me laugh so hard!
[info]michaeldthomas wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 03:25 pm (UTC)
Squee!!! Bea Arthur is so HAWT!!! ;)




[info]rhonawestbrook wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 03:26 pm (UTC)
LOL!
[info]eeknight wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 03:54 pm (UTC)
He's got a nice set of shoulders on him.
[info]nick_kaufmann wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 03:24 pm (UTC)
I think Conan needs to be played by a 38-year-old Jewish guy from Brooklyn with the initials NK.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 03:42 pm (UTC)
Conan? My vote is absolutely might be for Liam Neeson or Mikey Rourke. Yeah they are both about sixty and pale, but they know how to fight and can act their way through it. Gerard Butler would be good.

But honestly? Tom Lommel of Fear of Girls (1 and 2) would be my first choice.

Or Anna Paquin.
[info]lapislaz wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 04:19 pm (UTC)
I'll second that Liam Neeson nom - he'd be up to it, and the man is built like a brick outhouse. Broken nose, check. Sword-fighting, check. Ability to act, check. Works for me.
[info]meryddian wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 05:16 pm (UTC)
He doesn't really look his age, most of the time.

Maybe they'll make a Discworld film where he could play Cohen the Barbarian. Heh. *smirks*
[info]quikthnkr wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 04:50 pm (UTC)
I honestly don't think the American film industry has the stones to do Conan the way it should be done right now. Everything to too prissy and politically correct.

The next Conan movie will end up like "Gladiator" (yech!) or you will see Conan finding an orphaned toddler and her two older siblings and fighting an evil wizard (played by Malcolm MacDowell of course) as he drags them across Sumaria to reunite them with their long lost grandparents.

Dirty diapers and hilarity ensue.
[info]eeknight wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 06:10 pm (UTC)
Sadly, I think you're right.
[info]meryddian wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 05:12 pm (UTC)
I nominate Daniel Craig.

*drools just thinking about it*.



Of course, he may be a bit more articulate than Conan once was (w/Schwartzenegger in the part). But we already know he looks good in just tight little manly bathing shorts.....
[info]eeknight wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 06:10 pm (UTC)
Craig's already stuck in one recurring role. I'd like to see a Conan "franchise" develop.
[info]burger_eater wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 05:55 pm (UTC)
Your number six is a more problematic requirement than the bodybuilder thing. Why so fussy about the hair? The Bond fans went from cold and clammy to flushed and swoony when Blond, James Blond finally hit the big screen. Bald, brown-eyed Jason Statham might give you goosebumps the size of all Cimmeria.

Anyway, the best plan would probably be to go with the Blond, James Blond plan: Grab a fit supporting-actor type with actual skills, let him spend a couple months with a trainer, then cut him loose. Apparently, Viggo Mortensen had never held a sword before he arrived on the set of LOTR, and he acquitted himself pretty well.

If that isn't feasible, I hope they avoid Karl Urban. He scowls prettily but he's not alpha enough. For my money, if they have to cast a name actor, there's pretty much only one choice, and it's obvious when you think about it: Ben Affleck.
[info]bg_editor wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 07:56 pm (UTC)
No, I think hair and eyes are a must -- it's just too ingrained in every character desrip of Conan that REH ever wrote. Straight cut black bangs, volcanic blue eyes. Fleming described Bond well, but it wasn't as much of a character thing. For instance, in the books he's got a scar on his cheek. Having a Conan without the hair and the eyes would be like having a Sherlock Holmes that wasn't tall and thin. How would it go over to have a short, fat, Sherlock Holmes? I'm sure there are some talented short fat actors that could play the part brilliantly, but... the tall thin Sherlock is part of the myth of the character.

Howard
[info]burger_eater wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 11:56 pm (UTC)
No response to my casting suggestion?

It's hard out here for a (pseudo-)troll.

The problem with calling for physical traits to demonstrate some of Conan's character is that you don't need that in a movie. You have an actor for that.

In fact, the contacts and dye job might make things worse. If hair and makeup look off, you lose the whole movie. Seriously. James L. Brooks believed one of his movies was ruined by a raincoat. It was bright, bright yellow, very glaring and obvious. People looking at it stopped seeing the movie and started thinking about that coat.

What if Conan's page boy looks ridiculous on the actor? What if it simply doesn't suit him? The thing is, it's not necessary. If you want "volcanic" you just cast an actor who can do "volcanic" and you write him a scene that will show it off.

Also, the physical stuff that signifies so much to you won't have the same meaning to casual fans.
[info]bg_editor wrote:
Jan. 17th, 2008 12:45 am (UTC)
I guess Affleck has the right kind of chin. It could work.

Well, not to split hairs (har) but LOTR Gandalf was wearing a wig. It looked pretty good. I think you get the result you want with the right body type. A rough, straight cut, like Conan would give himself when it got so long he couldn't see through it. Shaggy like.

But I don't want to argue about that. Would the casual fan care as much as the Howard fans? Nope. But would the LOTR fans have liked Gandalf having a mohawk? I think the movie should be both for the big time and causl fans.
[info]burger_eater wrote:
Jan. 17th, 2008 04:43 am (UTC)
I guess Affleck has the right kind of chin. It could work.

Ack!

I think the movie should be both for the big time and casual fans.

Personally, I think the big time fans deserve extra consideration. They're the core of your audience after all.

Still, the big time fans need to allow enough flexibility for the inevitable adaptation that has to occur.
[info]brainstormfront wrote:
Jan. 25th, 2008 05:40 pm (UTC)
Statham's got the action shtick down well, and I might have seconded him (with wig and contacts a must, I'm afraid) if he could ever summon up a second facial expression other than grim glowering. Still, he might be a potential (though I'd almost rather see him as Kull, as there's less investment for most REH fans in that character's looks, methinks).

Yes, my opinion of Statham dropped due to In the Name of the King. Urgh. The only one who actually seemed to inhabit a fantasy role was John Rhys Davies, the rest being as wooden and lifeless as the script.

Back on topic, I suspect the best choice for Conan will most likely be an unknown (or one unknown to most of us outside of L.A.), as that prevents that barrier of "Oh, that guy is Conan?" It's better to go with "Who's that guy? He's great for Conan..." Thus, I can't really throw out another option. Karl Urban might be a good idea, but I've only seen him as a bearded blonde man, so it's hard to picture for me. A few years back, Viggo Mortensen might have been able to pull off the role, but unless the story's King Conan, he's a bit old now.
[info]mjolnir1964 wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 08:41 pm (UTC)
I had heard a couple years ago that John Milius, the original "Conan" director, had a script for the next movie in the works. It's working title was "Conan: Crown of Iron" and it dealt with Conan-now King of Aquilonia(I think), having his throne challenged by a son he never knew, played possibly by Vin Diesel. Of course, this was all rumors so who knows what'll happen. I still think Ahnold was a GREAT Conan. He had the look, had great sword training, and was good in the action scenes. The fact that he couldn't act is meaningless (IMO). We aren't talking Shakespeare or Jane Austen here...just very good pulp novels.
[info]mastadge wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2008 09:31 pm (UTC)
Maybe if this Solomon Kane movie is done right we have a shot at a decent Conan. . .
[info]rarelylynne wrote:
Jan. 17th, 2008 02:56 am (UTC)
Christian Bale. mrwowr.

Yummy. Plus Chris Nolan makes movies slooowly, so the Batman franchise shouldn't mess with the Barbarian...
[info]smncameron wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2008 01:56 am (UTC)
Bah!
Arnold can take a holiday. California's a small-state, shouldn't be hard to manage it while acting.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jan. 25th, 2008 08:41 pm (UTC)
Hello. Stumbled on this conversation through Howard Andrew Jones' Black Gate blog. Christian Bale might be able to pull off Conan. Definitely has the physique and ability to be "dark." Although, he may be too pretty.

My recommendation is Mads Mikkelsen: http://imdb.com/name/nm0586568/

It might be hard for the American public to warm up to him. But his accent doesn't seem quite as thick as Arnie's, and with some blue contacts and longer hair, he might be able to pull it off. If you saw him in King Arthur as Tristan, you might see why.

-Nik

http://nihawkins.wordpress.com
[info]newguydave wrote:
Jan. 25th, 2008 09:30 pm (UTC)
I agree with all of your original six points above. I enjoy Conan in all mediums, but the Robert E. Howard original stories are by far deepest. In those stories Conan's code of honor and his sense of right/wrong make him more than a hack and slash that he was portrayed in the two existing films.

I for one would like to see a later day Conan if they are going to do one. King Conan, with stories from his days after taking over the thrown of Aquilonia. I'm thinking some intriguing plot against the King, big war with CGI, and Conan's inner struggle to deal with his Kingdom, his family, and all the external issues. Of course that is far too much for one movie, but hey, a guy can dream.
[info]eeknight wrote:
Jan. 26th, 2008 02:59 am (UTC)
I think that's the direction Milius was going with Schwartzenegger before he became the Gubernator.
[info]dahardy wrote:
Jan. 30th, 2008 10:33 pm (UTC)
Funny nobody has tossed out Russel Crowe's name. Ever see Romper Stomper? Alpha male and ice-blue Aryan killer eyes. But, unless they've got A-list money, I think that's wishing for too much.

I'm quite impressed with Ray Stevenson from Rome btw. He's a big dude, with a good acting range. He could be an interresting leading man...
[info]eeknight wrote:
Jan. 30th, 2008 11:10 pm (UTC)
Good call. He can do the sword stuff, he's got a good face, and I liked the roaring drunk act he did in Master & Commander